The elder misses the point completely. "They got disfellowshipped," he says. Why don't they get reported to the police? Pedophilia is a crime! One witness, two witnesses, never serve as elder again; all misses the point. That's up to the police, not the elders.
Syd Netley
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Just saw this video, just goes to show you how the elders lie...JW Elder's Response To My DA Letter
by goingthruthemotions insaw this video of a brave woman who gave a da letter and an elder tries to talk with her.
this guy comes across has full of shite, and you know he would be a different person if there were other elders around with him.
kangaroo court jokers is what comes to my mind.
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by Caupon inso now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.
now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.
but what is you guys input of this.
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Syd Netley
Hi Cofty,
That the methods verify each other only demonstrates that they've been calibrated against each other. Or that they've chosen fudge factors that agree with other fudge factors. But that's just double fudge!! (Nice with ice-cream.)
Which dating technique requires NO assumptions? Could you highlight one? I'll guarantee you there are multiple underlying assumptions!
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by Caupon inso now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.
now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.
but what is you guys input of this.
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Syd Netley
Dear Cofty,
This is factually incorrect and demonstrates a wilful ignorance of how science works.
Did you read Wien's paper?You seem blissfully unaware that assumptions are being made when it comes to interpreting data. The paper you cite proves the point. Spot the assumption about C-14 calibration in the following extract, from p. 14 in Wien's paper,
If one predicts a carbon-14 age assuming that the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in the air has stayed constant
Now, this might be a valid assumption. But then it might not. The assumption itself is not testable, and therefore not strictly-speaking scientific; no one was around to record initial C-14/12 ratios over the last 40,000 years. So any conclusions drawn from basic assumptions are only ever as valid as the assumptions.
All knowledge, not just science, is founded on assumptions. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you're aware of them! Assumptions have often proved to be wrong. Challenge your assumptions, and everyone else's too. And be wary. Who was it who said that, When everyone around you shares the same assumptions, you start to think that it's reality…
Regards, Syd
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by Caupon inso now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.
now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.
but what is you guys input of this.
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Syd Netley
I've noticed this among ex-JWs. Science becomes the new ultimate truth. Questioning it, doubting any part of it is heresy. Science denier!!
It's almost as if the need for an ultimate truth remains. And Science (capitalised for its deity) becomes the new ultimate fountain. Scientists become the new white-coated Guardians of Doctrine who can be completely trusted. Sure…
Having naively trusted the Governing Body for so many years and now realised that they took you for a ride, are you ex-JWs not the least suspicious that Scientists too might have their own agenda? Including self-promotion and commercial interests?
Science is not some pure, objective search for truth. More often than not, it's a subjective search for the dollar.
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by Caupon inso now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.
now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.
but what is you guys input of this.
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Syd Netley
Don't get me wrong. Witnesses make assumptions too. And I'm not recommending that you trust them. I don't.
Trust is their biggest problem. They trust the organisation instead of God. Idolatry by another name.
At the same time, you got be careful not to misplace your trust in "science." That would be idolatry too. It's just people's ideas. Some sound, some not so sound.
I'm personally for old earth. And I'm right about the tree rings then. ;-) It all comes down to assumptions and even presumptions! Science included.
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by Caupon inso now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.
now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.
but what is you guys input of this.
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Syd Netley
I think Caupon has a point.
All dating techniques are based on assumptions. Assumptions about initial conditions, assumptions about rates of decay. Hence the need for calibration. But calibration doesn't eliminate assumptions. It just compares one set of assumptions with another set. You would think tree rings would be pretty reliable. But even there, trees can grow more than one ring in the same season depending on conditions.
It all comes down to this: who do you trust?